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Post by Sonny Daye on Mar 2, 2016 16:45:42 GMT -5
The season's already over? Damn. I haven't been watching it because of school, but I have all the episodes recorded on my DVR.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 17:22:10 GMT -5
Yeah. This season was actually two episodes longer than season one, but there were three weeks where ABC aired episodes back to back on the same night.
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Post by Sonny Daye on Mar 2, 2016 17:28:36 GMT -5
I guess when I get home this weekend I'll binge-watch them.
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Post by adrini on Mar 5, 2016 23:39:06 GMT -5
Okay, so I've seen the ending of carter and we loved it. It was silver age and a blast. Very fun. And no soap opera mellow drama. A more then welcome change.
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Post by Drake on Mar 6, 2016 0:19:59 GMT -5
Different strokes for different blokes I guess. I don't quite know if I agree it was silver age, but either way I'm not a big fan of comics from that time so my reaction would make sense.
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Post by thejellyfish on Mar 6, 2016 0:37:01 GMT -5
There's good and bad in the finale. Howard is always fun, romance plot line closed up nice and neat, and Ken Marino killing it as Manfredi. That's just a few of the things I liked about this episode.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Mar 6, 2016 9:34:23 GMT -5
I'm shocked right now. That finale was bad. Like, really bad. Maybe the most disappointing and poorly written episode of superhero/comic book TV I've watched. If it hadn't been a season finale, that might be one thing (for it to just be capital B Bad), but as a finale (possibly the series' finale) it was awful. I really enjoyed this season. I don't think it quite lived up to the first, but it was great...until this episode. I mean, it was like the writers did a complete 180 and decided to parody their own show. There was one good Agent Carter scene in the entire damn thing, and that's when a certain character got killed. Beyond that....wow, I'm just genuinely surprised. It was really, truly bad. After having just watched the episode ... Really? Most disappointing and poorly written superhero/comic TV episode you've seen? Have you heard of Arrow? Agent Carter finale was awesome, from start to finish. It's everything that makes Agent Carter the BEST comic-related show on television and then some. The only part that deserves criticism is that last minute where the agent gets shot and presumably killed, since it's a pointless, rushed stinger/cliffhanger for season 3, but that's apparently the only part you liked? Are you sure you didn't accidentally switch to another show? Or was it Opposite Day when you posted that? "Sir, we are standing before an incomprehensible rip in the fabric of our world--use the 7-iron." Honestly, even if the rest of the episode weren't awesome Howard Stark alone would have made this the highlight of the season. Nearly every one of his lines are absolute, perfect comedy gold.
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Post by Drake on Mar 6, 2016 10:42:15 GMT -5
I'm shocked right now. That finale was bad. Like, really bad. Maybe the most disappointing and poorly written episode of superhero/comic book TV I've watched. If it hadn't been a season finale, that might be one thing (for it to just be capital B Bad), but as a finale (possibly the series' finale) it was awful. I really enjoyed this season. I don't think it quite lived up to the first, but it was great...until this episode. I mean, it was like the writers did a complete 180 and decided to parody their own show. There was one good Agent Carter scene in the entire damn thing, and that's when a certain character got killed. Beyond that....wow, I'm just genuinely surprised. It was really, truly bad. After having just watched the episode ... Really? Most disappointing and poorly written superhero/comic TV episode you've seen? Have you heard of Arrow? Agent Carter finale was awesome, from start to finish. It's everything that makes Agent Carter the BEST comic-related show on television and then some. The only part that deserves criticism is that last minute where the agent gets shot and presumably killed, since it's a pointless, rushed stinger/cliffhanger for season 3, but that's apparently the only part you liked? Are you sure you didn't accidentally switch to another show? Or was it Opposite Day when you posted that? "Sir, we are standing before an incomprehensible rip in the fabric of our world--use the 7-iron." Honestly, even if the rest of the episode weren't awesome Howard Stark alone would have made this the highlight of the season. Nearly every one of his lines are absolute, perfect comedy gold. As I said, I guess it's a subjective thing, as taste really is, y'know. The lines to me felt forced and hammy. The show's made a habit of being fun, but also taking itself seriously. This didn't feel like that at all. It was like Thor: The Dark World all over again. Howard was funny at times, and I'll admit I love Manfredi. However, most of the rest of the jokes fell really flat for me. Still, I could handle that. It wouldn't be THAT big of a deal. I kinda like Thor 2. But then the last 20 minutes hit. The climax. I was pumped, and then....what? What happened? They made Whitney Frost LOOK AT A LIGHT and then SHOT HER WITH A RAY GUN TO BEAT HER (please note I'm not yelling at you, but the writers). There was no semblance of a threat. Frost was a joke. The scene where she was drawing, the scene where she walked down the street, and the scene with her in the asylum were poorly acted and like a parody of mental illness. Keep in mind that Frost was one of my favorite parts of the series, so this absolutely crushed me. But it gets worse. They have an end-of-the-world type disaster with bad CGI. I can handle bad CGI, but it doesn't help the situation. So what happens? Of course Sousa goes for it. Of course he does. Oh, and by this point, it feels like most of the actors know the show's been cancelled and are half-assing it. Anyway, with the power of TEAM WORK they stop the threat....that's exactly how it goes. In Agent Carter. A spy show. If the tone had matched that decision from the start, fine. But it didn't. It never had. That's a GotG move, not a Carter one. Let's move on to the "epilogue" scenes, shall we? The talk. It went...okay, but some of the dialogue was weak (a trend throughout this episode IMO). Then the asylum. I felt bad for Manfredi, but Frost's actor's portrayal of insanity left something to be desired for me. Onwards to the scene where Peggy "leaves." I liked it. I really did. This was a good scene. Peggy and Jarvis have the best chemistry (albeit bromance chemistry) on the show. And then there was the kiss scene. Ooh boy, I could write a five page paper on why this one just didn't work. In summary: where's the nurse? What happened to her? Bad dialogue. Overall it was rushed. They kissed, which was acted okay (Hayley Atwell really got into it, and with their characters' repressed urges, I can respect that choice). Then Thompson. Thompson, who is one of the most interesting characters on the show, because he straddles the line between good and evil. Thompson, who seems fit for a redemption arc. Thompson, who really didn't do squat this episode. He dies. It was quick, yes, as all after credits scenes are, but what it teased was wonderful. We already had the scene with him and Peggy, where they discuss the key. This could be a great plot next season....if we get one. And some of the theories about who killed Thompson? Awesome. I'd love to see many of them brought to life. So, that's my review. That's why I felt it was bad. Don't get me wrong. Arrow and Flash both have worse episodes, but none of them are the FINALES. Finales should be one of the best episodes, in terms of it being a critical mass of what the show is and of it closing most of the plot lines while teasing the future. That should be done well. It's often why you have the showrunners write the episode. For me, this was by far the most disappointing finale I've watched, which, despite it being better than a few choice Flarrow episodes, makes it, to me, worse. EDIT: Also remember, I love Agent Carter. I don't want it to be cancelled at all. It's 3rd behind Daredevil and the Flash for me in terms of favorite shows. ...okay, it really flip flops with AoS a lot. It depends on what's on at the time. ^^^ That's what made this so crushing for me. I expected more.
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Post by Drake on Mar 6, 2016 10:48:18 GMT -5
DiscipleofBob I feel like I should say this. You could probably have been a bit less condescending in your response. I hope you didn't mean it that way, but it came across as very rude.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Mar 6, 2016 11:38:02 GMT -5
DiscipleofBob I feel like I should say this. You could probably have been a bit less condescending in your response. I hope you didn't mean it that way, but it came across as very rude. You should probably not assume things like condescension just because someone disagrees with you, even when it's a strong disagreement. People are allowed to disagree without it being seen as rude, and those opinions are going to be stronger when one person loves the material and.l finds it the best thing on television and the other says it's the worst. That's a deliberately polarizing argument that's going to draw ire and a strong rebuttal. And while at least you have reasons listed this time, I can't say I agree with any of them. Whitney Frost was crazy. The end of the episode was a natural evolution of her character. What started out as a girl trying to make it in a man's world (much like Carter) and her desperation for power and recognition was twisted by the zero matter and its corrupting influence. Frost's psyche was brutally broken by the end from multiple betrayals. What started as a bid for power and recognition was twisted into whatever eldritch abomination the zero matter put in her head. And at the end we're left to wonder: even if the zero matter is physically gone, the voice is still in her head, this time as the dead husband who she clearly loved, still loves, and murdered for his betrayal. Is whatever entity that was behind the zero matter actually gone from Whitney's head? Or is it masquerading as her dead husband and guilting her into continuing? All this framed by the tragedy that she could have continued her life as a very successful actress, politician's wife, and eventual politician if she hadn't played with zero matter. My only complaint with her character is that there's zero resemblance to the comic version is makes me wonder why they used that character to begin with. The main goal of Carter throughout most of the season, even before stopping Whitney, was rescuing Wilkes. And once she got Wilkes, Stark, and SSR Scientist-dude in the same room with the insane yet still viable notes of Frost, they came up with a super-science plan to stop her. An me that plan is logically consistent with what we know of Frost and zero matter. Just creating the rift was enough to draw her in. And she's crazy and arrogant enough to not care about anything else. And at the end where Whitney's take down went off without a hitch but the generator wasn't easily controlled, as was to be expected with the stuff. It's a more realistic climactic conflict than any kind of showdown with the godlike Frost. While everyone is arguing over who gets to do the heroic sacrifice, Sousa in a Crowning Moment of Badass jumps in. Stark's disappointed line of "Well that's not fair" only makes it even better. I actually thought Sousa was going to be killed there for a moment, and was pleasantly surprised when everyone working together in a mutual effort paid off. Day saved. Everyone lives. Bad Guy's put away. Our protagonist gets the guy. It's a happy ending, which is something too many other TV shows and movies forget is a thing in favor of pointless stingers, cliffhangers, and melodrama. Like the last 30 seconds where Thompson, who's been a tool whose only job is to forget everything he learned the first season and make things difficult for everyone again, gets taken out by a random assassin. He could still potentially live if they open next season with him in the hospital, but I doubt it. It was a wonderful finale to a wonderful season. And season 3 has already been confirmed.
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Post by adrini on Mar 6, 2016 11:54:44 GMT -5
She broke things off after accusing Sousa of being in love with Peggy, which considering the ending was on the nose.
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Post by Drake on Mar 6, 2016 13:08:52 GMT -5
After having just watched the episode ... Really? Most disappointing and poorly written superhero/comic TV episode you've seen? Have you heard of Arrow?
Agent Carter finale was awesome, from start to finish. It's everything that makes Agent Carter the BEST comic-related show on television and then some. The only part that deserves criticism is that last minute where the agent gets shot and presumably killed, since it's a pointless, rushed stinger/cliffhanger for season 3, but that's apparently the only part you liked?Are you sure you didn't accidentally switch to another show? Or was it Opposite Day when you posted that?"Sir, we are standing before an incomprehensible rip in the fabric of our world--use the 7-iron." Honestly, even if the rest of the episode weren't awesome Howard Stark alone would have made this the highlight of the season. Nearly every one of his lines are absolute, perfect comedy gold. It had nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. Again, that's condescension, assuming that my response was because of some immature frustration that we don't agree. That's not the case. The above was what caught my attention, as you made statements that explicitly implied my opinion was wrong and jokes that mocked me. Please, keep it civil. Never in my response did I criticize you for liking the episode. EDIT: I apologize for taking this too personally. I still feel as if you were being condescending, but I overreacted.
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Post by Drake on Mar 6, 2016 13:12:33 GMT -5
I just looked up the season 3 confirmation. It's still a rumor, but I'd love it to be true. Agent Carter is great.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Mar 6, 2016 13:41:10 GMT -5
EDIT: I apologize for taking this too personally. I still feel as if you were being condescending, but I overreacted. That's fair. It can always be difficult to both convey and interpret intended tone accurately over the internet. Hell, we're all writers and it's still difficult. If I may be clear, there was no intended condescension, just spirited defense of a finale I thought you were being unfair to. Even still, the reason the Internet both works and occasionally implodes is that everyone's entitled to their own opinion and to disagree even passionately about a subject. Even Arrow fans.
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