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Post by Stardrifter on Jun 29, 2014 9:04:00 GMT -5
I am torn on Wolverine in the X-Men movies. I agree he's bad too much focus, but on the other hand, Hugh Jackman is really good and enjoyable to watch. But one of the things I regret about the movies the most is how little we got of Cyclops. I'm not even a huge Cyclops fan, but I really like Marsden and he just fits Scott so perfectly to me.
I have yet to watch Arrow. It's on the list for my wife and I, though we're working through DS9 right now and she wants to watch Farscape next. But I have seen a ton of promos and I find it strange that a show about a guy in all green shooting bad guys with a bow and arrow is so dark.
I'll get to it eventually though. If for no other reason that Captain Jack Harkness is on the show and he's one man even I would go omnisexual for.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 29, 2014 9:42:13 GMT -5
Arrow really isn't that dark past about halfway through the first season, it actually is very goofy and comic booky.
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Post by adrini on Jun 29, 2014 9:49:07 GMT -5
Are we watching the same show?
Oliver was a bit of a man who're in the comics, and they turned that to 9,000. They couldn't be bothered to have a real canary so they used a fake (when one and two were right there), most of part of the city gets destroyed, and that's starters.
Season one is okay, good even, season two I had to give up on. Sara was pointless and insulting, they could have used the characters they already had, and every character suddenly had an IQ of 12. Except Laurel who they wouldn't listen to anyway.
They *really* wanted things to go as wrong as possible, I guess. Wouldn't call that "comic".
But I really shouldn't be talking about this, it gets me going way too much and I have too much else to do today.
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Post by Drake on Jun 29, 2014 20:55:58 GMT -5
I've seen The Flash pilot. Barry is in no way Batman.
I like MoS but don't love it. I think it's WAAAAAAAAAAY too dark for a Superman movie. I mean, when there's as many (if not more) night or evening shots as there are day ones in a Superman movie, you're doing something wrong. It just doesn't feel very hopeful, but I did enjoy Cavill with what he was given, and the fight scenes were the second coolest in any superhero movie behind only Avengers.
Transformers 4 was exactly what I'd thought it would be in the best and worst ways. I'm a straight teenage guy. What can I say? 'Splosions and hot women are awesome. The humor was okay, but the script over all was clunky. My biggest problem with the movie is WTF was the plot even? Like seriously! I'm a cinephile and I for the life of me could not pull it all together cohesively in my brain. The movie would get a 6/10 from me. It was entertaining, not good. And yes, I'm probably dumber for having seen it. Whatevs, I can blow a few brain cells on Transformers.
My Avengers movie list is -Avengers -Cap 2 -Iron Man -Cap -Iron Man 3/Thor -The rest in no particular order
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 29, 2014 22:41:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure we are watching the same show, the first season's villain big plan was to use an earthquake machine, I'm not sure how much more comic book you can get.
Seeing as we seem to be doing this My MCU movie list - Cap 2 - Avengers - Iron Man 3 - Thor 2 - Iron Man - Cap - Thor - Iron Man 2
I haven't seen Hulk.
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jun 30, 2014 11:03:26 GMT -5
I would call blaphmesy for ranking IM3 higher than the original IM, but then I rate IM2 higher than IM. So, you get off easy. For now!
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 30, 2014 18:29:07 GMT -5
If I were listing them in the order I thought were the best I'd actually go so far as to put IM3 above Avengers, but my list was my favourites.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jul 3, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
Ranking Avengers movies eh...
-Winter Soldier -Avengers -Iron Man -Agents of SHIELD (It counts!) -Thor -Captain America -Thor 2 -Iron Man 2 some dirt some more dirt a layer of bedrock Mole Man's summer home even more dirt -Iron Man 3
I reeeally didn't like Iron Man 3.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 3, 2014 21:55:27 GMT -5
Do you mind if I ask why?
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jul 3, 2014 22:00:46 GMT -5
A number of reasons, but by far the worst offender is the Mandarin fake out they pulled. That's just false advertising, not to mention insulting. If the movie had advertised itself as Iron Man VS AIM and not promised Iron Man VS Mandarin I might have been more forgiving.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 3, 2014 22:15:41 GMT -5
But it was both, Killian was actually The Mandarin the whole time Kingsley was just a pawn, and a hilarious pawn at that.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jul 3, 2014 22:19:24 GMT -5
No, no he was not. He might have said he was the Mandarin, but he wasn't. Just some random firebreathing dude yelling "GRAAIAMTHEMANDARINGRAAA!" But he wasn't in any way shape or form the Mandarin. The Mandarin was not in this film despite promises from advertisers that he would be. Even Pepper can beat him up.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jul 3, 2014 22:28:26 GMT -5
But yooooou neverrr saw it coming!
I don't have a problem with IM3, but it wasn't until just now that I realized they stole the twist from Batman Begins.
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jul 4, 2014 0:27:04 GMT -5
And the plot of the Incredibles.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 4, 2014 1:41:37 GMT -5
You and I remember The Incredibles very differently.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jul 4, 2014 7:50:35 GMT -5
He is referring to Aldrich Killian basically being Syndrome, an annoying if well-meaning brat shunned by his hero to the point where it motivates him to create an evil organization that focuses on giving bad guys and himself superpowers, all for the sake of obsessed, misguided revenge.
Really, "ripping off plots" is something I've come to ignore in movies. The biggest criticism I heard about James Cameron's Avatar was that it wasn't original, and I'm sorry, if a movie about body switching and nine-foot tall blue alien cat people who ride dragons, have USB drives for hair, have a religion/ecology that's basically a biological internet, and fight space marines and mechs is unoriginal, then we as a civilization are officially out of original ideas.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 4, 2014 9:05:12 GMT -5
I don't think we do have any original ideas left, there are only original takes on ideas.
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Post by thetrueelec on Aug 1, 2014 7:21:27 GMT -5
So everybody should see Guardians, it was awesome in every way.
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Post by Drake on Aug 1, 2014 12:15:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw it opening night too. It deserves all the praise it gets! I'll need to watch it a few more times before saying it's better than the Avengers or Cap 2, but it was certainly funnier, and it is up there.
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Post by jordan on Aug 3, 2014 18:44:41 GMT -5
Cap 2 Guardians of the Galaxy Thor 2 Iron Man Avengers The Rest
Just got back from Guardians of the Galaxy and absolutely loved it. I thought the characters were perfect: they were funny, they were real, they were amazing. If I had to pick one big critique, I'd say that I wished there was a little more Thanos. Other than that, it was an amazing, heartfelt movie that takes #2 on my list of Avengers movies.
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Post by Drake on Aug 3, 2014 20:54:52 GMT -5
If we're doing this then....
Avengers GotG Cap 2 Iron Man Cap Thor Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Incredible Hulk
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Post by Stardrifter on Aug 3, 2014 21:25:23 GMT -5
Some random thoughts: SPOILERS!
So as someone with a passing knowledge at best of Marvel's cosmic series, what was the deal with the Nova Corp? I thought they they were a kind of Marvel version of Green Lanterns. Aren't they supposed to have powers?
And in my wiki search to see who Star Lords father is I discovered the movie apparently took a lot of liberties, so I'd be interested in a comic fans take on that.
1. As I said in the chatbox, I felt the action was average. The showdown with Nebula and Gamora was a big letdown. 2. I had a hard time seeing Karen Gillan as Nebula and not an uglified Amy Pond. 3. I thought Thanos was a letdown. He felt weak, the CG was iffy(on him. Rocket and Groot were great), and the voice was meh. Revealing him here felt like a big misstep for Avengers 3. 4. I hope they didn't pay Vin much. He did nothing a seasoned animation voice actor couldn't do. 5. Ronan looked much more badass than he does in my Marvel Avengers Alliance Tactics game.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Aug 3, 2014 21:51:36 GMT -5
From my understanding, Vin took the Groot role solely for his kids, and I can never fault an actor like that.
Disclaimer: I loved GotG, and the following flaws are mostly because I don't feel like stating the obvious.
I felt probably the weakest aspect was the character development. Gamora for example had her backstory told to the audience, never actually showed. One minute she's a loyal bad guy, the next she's suddenly very conscious of all those people she's murdered. Doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of the Raccoon and Drax development felt rushed. Star Lord was actually good, and I loved Karen as Nebula even if I was wondering when Matt Smith would show up to kidnap her into his blue box. Groot, well... he is Groot. Nothing to complain about there.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping for more traditional Nova Corp too.
Also, Howard the Duck.
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Post by thetrueelec on Aug 3, 2014 22:15:56 GMT -5
Yeah the development was about as subtle as a sledgehammer, but I feel that fits the tone of the movie, though Gamora really could have had more.
I'm probably the only one it bothered but Yondu's second in command was Kirk from Gilmore Girls and that distracted me every time he was on film.
Besides that I really don't have any complaints, though I know basically nothing about The Nova Corps so I can't comment on that.
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Post by Drake on Aug 3, 2014 22:51:10 GMT -5
First off, the Nova Corps: Yeah, no powers and lame helmets suck, but I figure they can do more in the future...although apparently Gunn doesn't like the Corps.
Next thing Star mentioned: Peter's dad. We don't know TOO much about him yet so he could still be similar to the comics. At the very least they called him an ass, which he is, so they've got that down.
The big complaints? I disagree on the character development bit. I mean, sure they throw stuff into your face, but that's because they have to establish five different characters. Not every movie should have to show an entire character's life for you to understand their reasonings and motivations. For example (because she was used), Gamora was (in my opinion) obviously upset while working with Ronan in the one scene you got of that, and it was established fairly early on that she planned to ditch him and give the orb to the Collector. BUT my biggest reason for disagreeing on that front isn't that I think throwing backstories at you is ok, or Gamora doesn't change too quickly or whatever, but that the REAL development for each of these characters was going from rascal outlaws to unlikely heroes, and that was done wonderfully IMHO.
Frankly, I'm really shocked Rocket's backstory bit didn't touch any of you. You don't know much, sure, but he clearly comes across as very tortured (literally and figuratively) and complex. His drunken scene is probably my favorite in the whole movie. It got to me. Sure, I'm a little biased, but all the emotion was right there.
As for the rest, it seems like nitpicking. Thanos' CGI is a personal opinion, as is being unable to separate Karen Gillan from Dr. Who. On a similar note, and for your random GotG fact of the day, Yondu's second in command was played by James Gunn's brother, Sean. To be fair to all of you, I don't think the movie is perfect and I personally was driven crazy by Ronan. I felt he was a very flat villain (and I LOVE him in the comics), and his teeth drove me crazy. They were nasty!
Anyway, I probably went on too long of a spiel here, but I just fail to understand some of the complaints. I guess everyone has their own opinion, but to me at least the character development argument and nitpicking just feels a bit cheap. And I know I'm probably biased, but....I don't know. I get some complaints like Star's with the action or that the Nova Corps weren't like the comics at all (or Yondu for that matter). I'm frankly kinda surprised no one really mentioned how lackluster that post credits scene was. I know Dob mentioned it, but damn! That's the weakest since Iron Man 3. I didn't even think it was all that funny. We could've at least gotten to hear Cosmo talk/telepathically communicate.
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Post by thetrueelec on Aug 3, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5
I don't know what you're talking about that after credits scene was the best since Iron Man.
I did know Sean Gunn's name, didn't realise he was related to James Gunn though.
And I loved Rocket's backstory scenes, same with Drak's, I just think they could have been more subtle, but really at this point I'm nitpicking. I loved the movie a great deal.
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Post by Stardrifter on Aug 3, 2014 23:24:03 GMT -5
My post was random thoughts. Except for 1 and 3, they weren't really criticisms. And I stand by those.
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Post by jordan on Aug 3, 2014 23:49:23 GMT -5
I wasn't too impressed with Thanos either, but I didn't have a huge problem with him. As for the action...I don't usually go to a movie for the action, so I didn't really care one way or the other.
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Post by thetrueelec on Aug 4, 2014 4:15:33 GMT -5
I thought Thanos was awesome, really got me excited for Avengers 3.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 1:07:58 GMT -5
There's speculation that Cap will leave the Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron and form his own team.
If this was true (and I highly doubt it is), what would you all think about it?
I think it would be plain awesome. Cap is a natural leader and a great strategist/tactician, but it's a side we don't see too much. Maybe Captain America 3 will be about him and his new team. I hope Falcon will be on it, but other than that, I don't know. I don't know which heroes Disney has the movie rights to. (I'm waiting for them to snatch Spider-Man from Sony and the X-Men from Fox!)
Who would you guys like to see on Cap's team? That is, if there is one? It's just a rumor.
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