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Post by Drake on Jan 30, 2015 18:09:58 GMT -5
So the admins and Dob have recently been discussing the issue of the Marvel Multiverse and how it relates to our site. SilentKing--the originator of the pm--argued for a separate Multiverse, so ideally we could all build it up from scratch. Dob backed him up. Elec and I argued for being a part of the main Marvel Multiverse, as there are, by definition, an infinite number of universes, allowing for total writer freedom, and there was no further need for a separate Multiverse. Jordan proposed the idea of joining the Omniverse, which is essentially the combined Multiverses (Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc.) as a separate Multiverse, which he argued would still allow for SK's idea but also allow for us to tie in with Marvel if we wanted to. Before anyone votes, I'd like everyone to discuss why they want what they want. If I missed anything, fellow admins and writer, please mention it. Thanks and let's have a civil discussion (which I admittedly failed to do for a bit last night ...really sorry, SK!) A poll will be put up when we've talked it over.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jan 30, 2015 21:03:46 GMT -5
I think we should do our own thing. I feel that if we tried to include ourselves in the comic universe it would be too easy to tie in to it. Writers would be tempted to use 616 characters or AoA characters etc. rather than establishing an "All Star" version of it. As I said, I do feel like your desire to tie in to a Spidey comic event hurt your series a bit. You succumbed to the temptation to the detriment of your title, IMO.
If we want to use alternate realities and timelines they should be our own take on them. Want to do AoA? Great, but make it OUR version of AoA. Put your own spin on it. Want to use a Heroes Reborn reality? Oh my God what is wrong with you? But if you must, do your own take.
That's my thoughts on it. Keep our "multiverse" it's own thing.
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Post by thejellyfish on Jan 30, 2015 21:49:25 GMT -5
Okay, so I like the idea of us being separate from the Marvel multiverse, but let's look at what's been established and is in continuity. Drake tied Amazing Spider-Man into Spider-Verse, the outcome of that being that the All-Star universe is a universe unto itself and will be left alone. It also gave us the number of the All-Star universe. Then, in AXM #4, Beast and Nightcrawler find out that the incursions are happening, but that our universe is somehow safe from this threat, as if it were off the grid. There could be other universes that are off the grid like ours is, but at the moment that information is not known.
Star, I know that I am no way tempted to use 616 characters or characters from any other universe (even the Squadron Supreme that I wanted to use in New Warriors was my own take on them and it's own universe), but I see your point. People will be tempted, but this is why we have rules. Should we tie in to comic storylines like Drake did? Probably not anymore. I know I won't be mentioning incursions anymore. We could just firmly outline our stance. No canon characters from any Marvel comic. The explanation can be that when Drake tied into Spider-Verse, the All-Star universe got separated from other universes. Then, we can establish through other titles (I will be touching on this in Iron Man) that it, at some point, linked up with other universes to fix the balance. This group of universes would be separate from the main Marvel multiverse, but, since the Marvel multiverse is infinite, they are all our own creations. So, in theory, someone could do an Exiles book or do their version of AOA, but be firm about not tying into the actual AOA, as our set of universes is separate from Marvel's set of universes (which, as of the most recent issue of New Avengers, numbers at about two dozen).
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Post by Drake on Jan 30, 2015 22:53:37 GMT -5
I like Jelly's idea the most of any so far (yes, even more than mine XD ). It'll isolate ourselves, keep us in the Marvel Multiverse, and make everything in continuity real, palpable, and as originally intended.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jan 30, 2015 22:58:58 GMT -5
It seems needlessly complicated to me. We're a part of the multiverse but not? Huh?
Drake's Spider-Man deal could just be waved away as his take on the event. It doesn't have to mean we're connected.
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Post by Drake on Jan 30, 2015 23:33:51 GMT -5
I'll go with whatever you guys decide, but I will admit if we're not at least a little bit isolated and my Spider-Verse chapter is essentially fan-service BS then my time travel/multiverse plans are blown to hell. If it's what you guys want, then fine, we'll go with it, but it does screw me over. Not trying to bitch, just explaining why I would prefer something one way over the other.
Actually, as a further argument, who beyond Jelly, SK, and I have plans for the Multiverse? Because if no one else does then theoretically it shouldn't matter how we deal with it as long as it doesn't ruin all of our plans.
EDIT: "All of our plans" meaning every writer's plans.
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Post by jordan on Jan 30, 2015 23:53:53 GMT -5
I disagree with that. The Multiverse is a HUGE trope of comics and anyone at any point in the future could come up with a story in the Multiverse. It is a lot more than just you three.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jan 30, 2015 23:54:20 GMT -5
I have plans for the Mojoverse. It's an alternate reality. I always liked the Exiles addition that the Mojoverse is singular in the entire Multiverse, but I wasn't planning for it to be the comic version of the Mojoverse.
That being said, my opinions are just my own. Marvel contradicted itself by saying there's only one Mojoverse and Mojo in all creation and then having an Ultimate Mojo AND connecting the Ultimate universe to 616, soooooo...
My plans don't extend beyond Mojoverse and it really doesn't matter to me if it's the only one in existence or not.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jan 30, 2015 23:54:43 GMT -5
You know, theoretically your Spider-Verse chapter could just be used as a stepping stone, foreshadowing other universes that we can then build up later.
It could even be a site-wide event, introducing a new universe and giving writers the chance to do something, however small, for it.
As far as future plans, I've love to work on developing some of said other universes in the future. I don't have anything extremely involved planned for my titles except for one small thing which honestly *probably* wouldn't be affected either way.
Adrini and I have been talking about potential future ideas for Avengers, and one of them involves a potential All-Star version of Age of Apocalypse. If there's already a canon AoA, or we're forced to use the canon AoA, then that could range from screwing things up completely to just making writing it uncomfortable.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jan 30, 2015 23:57:56 GMT -5
Well even in the comics where there is a specific AoA universe, the idea of an infinite multiverse stemming from the theory that everything that can happen DOES happen through alternate realities, there would then be infinite versions of the AoA. With everything ranging from one AoA which is exactly the same except Jean has blond hair instead of red to another where all the genders were swapped to another where they're all shrimp people.
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Post by adrini on Jan 31, 2015 0:00:43 GMT -5
Everytime this comes up we get shrimp people. Now I'm hungry again.
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Post by thejellyfish on Jan 31, 2015 0:01:46 GMT -5
With my idea, you would not be forced to use the canon AOA. In fact, you would have to use your own version of AOA.
(Canon being the one Marvel uses in their comics)
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Post by Drake on Jan 31, 2015 0:02:39 GMT -5
That's fair, all three of you. If this is how we vote then it's how we vote.
Dob, I think you'd be able to do your own AoA whether we're in the Marvel Multiverse or not. I get why you'd prefer it one way, so I'll support you on that, but do realize that I think you could do your thing without contradicting anything. We (the admins) certainly wouldn't impose anything on you.
Star, well...you basically made your point. Nothing to say there.
You're right, Jordan. That's why I tried to add in the whole "as long as it doesn't affect anyone's plans." That might be unavoidable though, and I'm willing to take one for the team. If everyone else is happy with the end result then I'm happy with the end result.
EDIT: BTW, I'm still pro-jelly. I think his idea benefits everyone.
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Post by adrini on Jan 31, 2015 0:03:29 GMT -5
Not to be pedantic but how much more work do we have to do within our own, or is this as a complimentary thing to spice things up here and there?
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Post by Stardrifter on Jan 31, 2015 0:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by DiscipleofBob on Jan 31, 2015 0:08:05 GMT -5
That's it. I'm dropping all my titles to focus on Shrimp Avengers.
They must rely on their brains as well as their prawn.
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Post by adrini on Jan 31, 2015 0:09:30 GMT -5
For Whedon I'm fine with it. Just means I'm making shrimp scampi tomorrow, and it will be delicious as always.
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Post by Drake on Jan 31, 2015 0:11:25 GMT -5
Haha, I'm loving the direction of this conversation!
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Post by Drake on Jan 31, 2015 0:11:52 GMT -5
Not to be pedantic but how much more work do we have to do within our own, or is this as a complimentary thing to spice things up here and there? Nothing's required. This is only for the people who want to use the Multiverse.
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