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Post by mezzaro on Jun 5, 2013 15:25:38 GMT -5
#1 is up!
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jun 5, 2013 16:37:01 GMT -5
Well, I read through it and here's what I think.
I really liked the humor and some of the easter eggs that always get you excited to read a story (Pepper Potts, Daily Bugle, Rhodes, etc.)
It was interesting to see that Tony was brave and selfless as a young adult...it's not something that's normally part of his character. And I did enjoy his new origin with saving Pepper and such.
However, you jumped around in time a whole lot in this issue. I didn't feel character development or really plot development. It's the first issue and there's already an iron man armor. I don't know, just how I feel about it. Not sure if you're going to have flashbacks or anything, but I feel like there was too much ground covered.
However, I did enjoy it. 7/10
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Post by mezzaro on Jun 5, 2013 17:10:32 GMT -5
I can assure you now that this arc will have many, many flashbacks recovering all that ground and showing new things.
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jun 5, 2013 17:18:01 GMT -5
I assumed so. Which may make those future issues stronger (I'm doing the same thing in Blade). So, all in all, it was a fairly solid first issue.
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Post by ls34 on Jun 5, 2013 17:44:25 GMT -5
Pros:
- Tony wanting to help people from a young age is nice and different take on the character
- Pepper being in the fire was there, but she wasn't then rushed in to the issue. It sets her up without making the issue too centred on her
- There were very few errors and the dialogue felt natural
- Tony seems like he has his heart in the right place so he's somewhat likeable, but he still clearly has room to grow into a super hero
Cons:
- The time shifting felt confusing. The first scene isn't given a year while the rest is, so while I assume it comes before everything I'm not certain, then it went into the present and shifted forward again. Personally I'd have put the last scene chronologically as the present and labelled the others as "[x] years ago" from that point
- A lot of stuff seemed to get glossed over as you jumped forward in time
I have no issue with the suit being around in the first issue, as it doesn't seem to be the final suit and more something to build off of towards the eventual super hero armour.
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Post by Uatu on Jun 5, 2013 18:04:29 GMT -5
Alright, I had to sit on this issue for a little while. I like my Downey Jr. Iron Man so this take is a bit offputing to me.
-The Opening scene with the fireman rubbed me the wrong way. The descriptions seemed off can't put my finger on it but just didn't feel like it flowed well at all. The dickish manner Tony handled the fireman doesn't strike me as heroic at all.
-The time shifts should be uniform. You have
2 years ago, August 2002
Now 2004
Four Months lateer
Having those be uniform really helps the reader build a timeline in their head.
-You use now for 2004 is your entire series taking place in the past?
-Overall the story felt wooden and your Iron Man is different then my expectations. I'll have to give it a few more issues to get a better sense of him, but he seems to be Tony Stark in name only.
Best of luck with the rest of the arc.
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jun 5, 2013 18:06:48 GMT -5
It was an okay issue. A few errors, but just minor stuff that I noticed. Everything was decent and I enjoyed some of the changes you made to the Iron Man origins. (But please, no changes like IM3's Mandarin. You don't have Kingsley to make up for such a lame change like that.) But as ls34 said, some stuff seemed to be glossed over while you got forward. Oh, I would like to mention that the time shifting didn't have me confused. But the tank part felt contrived. Though I am not taking too many points away for that as I am currently convinced that Tony placed it there for Rhodey's test run in the suit. 7.5/10
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Post by mezzaro on Jun 6, 2013 0:48:49 GMT -5
I tried to drop as many hints int he issue that the opening scene was 9/11. I didn't think it really need a label. As for glossing things over, most of those scenes (especially the 9/11 one) are not over yet. I'm just choosing to tell this arc as several stories being told simultaneously, all adding up in the end.
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Post by ls34 on Jun 6, 2013 9:47:09 GMT -5
If the first scene was 9/11, the “Well if I don’t save them you idiots won’t either!” line really rubbed me the wrong way.
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Post by mezzaro on Jun 6, 2013 12:00:01 GMT -5
How come?
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Post by Drake on Jun 6, 2013 14:47:40 GMT -5
Tony is very different. And I like that. I agree with Trance as far as my review goes. 7.75/10
My biggest problem is that I'm not sure how well this is going to jell with my "Avengers" take on Stark. I'll just keep reading and see. If not, well, it's not the end of the world.
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Post by ls34 on Jun 6, 2013 16:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by mezzaro on Jun 6, 2013 17:06:21 GMT -5
I can understand where you are coming from, but a sixteen/seventeen year old kid who is literally watching his world burn in front of his eyes, can you imagine the torment of that? Someone who just wants to help trying to help, while a man who stands away from the fire, not doing anything tell shim he can't help. Emergency workers lost their lives that day, so did civilians. And so many fewer would've died if thousands of people hadn't just stood their and watched the towers crumble. Emergency workers and civilians alike stood there and watched it. 33 civilians took responsibility into their own hands that day on UAF93. People watched this happen. Consider me a little cynical, but very few EWs actually helped when it came to the 9/11 incident as it was happening. Most people waited till afterwards to chip in.
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Post by ls34 on Jun 6, 2013 18:18:02 GMT -5
Consider me a little cynical, but very few EWs actually helped when it came to the 9/11 incident as it was happening. Actually no, huge numbers of people helped including reserve and volunteer personnel which is why hundreds died. It's well reported that the EWs went above and beyond the call of duty, and in fact many were inside the building when it collapsed still trying to help people out. The emergency service's response to the attack is praised for a reason, and while I understand Tony being angry and irrational I don't think it's right to outright misrepresent what happened in such a way that it disrespects the people who died trying to save people.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jun 9, 2013 9:49:13 GMT -5
It was okay. I agree the timestamps were unnecessarily confusing. It took me a minute to realize Tony going from 17 in the first bit to 19 in the second, which is explained as Two Years Ago, wasn't a mistake.
I like that you've mixed things up a bit. I could have done without the cliche parent died part of the origin, but it was minor. My only real complaint beyond the errors was that it felt short and didn't have a real impact as a first issue. I would have liked less time jumping and more of an introduction to Tony as a character. None of the scenes take the time to really tell us who he is.
Keep em coming.
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