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Post by Drake on Jun 21, 2013 12:41:46 GMT -5
Avengers issue 1 is up! The mega event begins now, in a (hopefully) biweekly series!
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jun 21, 2013 15:52:14 GMT -5
It was definitely worth the wait. I enjoyed the banter between Pym and Tony along with the short scene showing Cap fighting against the new HYDRA. This was just a great series with the only thing I found wrong is VISION. Mainly because I am not sure it should have been claimed first or if the depiction of it would still allow others to claim and user their own version of the character. 9.999999999999999999999999999999999/10 Again, still not sure whether VISION should have been claimed first or not.
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jun 21, 2013 22:04:05 GMT -5
You know I loved this issue. And I can tell you love the characters.
Keep it up.
9.5/10
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Post by Drake on Jun 22, 2013 0:42:36 GMT -5
Shit...I just realized I did forget to put Vision in my claims for Avengers...he should probably be claimed in Iron Man too. I'll fix that tomorrow.
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Post by jordan on Jun 22, 2013 1:41:41 GMT -5
So I think I told you this when you sent me the original copy MONTHS back, but I love it. Honestly, I think it's the best title on the sight so far. Hip, hip HOORAY! 9.7/10. Look forward to more.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jun 22, 2013 21:16:49 GMT -5
Very well done, though for a first issue it was a bit narrow in scope. Still, good character interaction. Keep em coming.
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Post by Drake on Jun 28, 2013 9:48:17 GMT -5
Issue two, a Spidey-centric issue (with view points from Cap Marvel and Hulk) is up!
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Post by hitmonkey on Jun 29, 2013 3:05:59 GMT -5
I liked the first two issues, though the scene with Captain America in the first issue does seem to break up the flow of the Tony and Hank scene. It was a good intro to Cap in the present but I feel like it could have been better served later on in the series. The Hank and Tony scenes were great though.
The second issue didn't have any problems like the first and I really liked that it seems the avengers are not just going to come together to stop the bad guys but will get to team up beforehand.
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jun 29, 2013 3:22:38 GMT -5
Agreed, although I did detect a grammar error. I believe it is of the their/there/they're variety. Very minor, but glaring when compared with last issue's perfectly edited material. Hence 9.99999999999999999999/10 instead of 10/10.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jun 30, 2013 9:19:23 GMT -5
Eh. The Spider-Man section was good but the bit with Carol was sappy and drawn out. Everything was well written for the most part, but I have a major complaint about the series.
This is going way too slow. Two issues of the Avengers with no Avengers. This issue felt like an issue of Spider-Man. Heck it was an issue of Spider-Man. I think it's starting to show that you guys have rushed into the Avengers.
Most of this stuff should have been allowed to happen in the series of the respective heroes to lead up to Avengers in an organic way. Instead, two issues in and we have housekeeping trying to do setup that should have already been done. Or at least done much much faster.
I know you're already committed to your path and aren't about to change anything, but it is taking away from my enjoyment. The epic first arc of Avengers is turning out to be solo issues of other series. Well done ones, but not Avengers.
Keep em coming.
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Post by Drake on Jun 30, 2013 11:15:39 GMT -5
Eh. The Spider-Man section was good but the bit with Carol was sappy and drawn out. Everything was well written for the most part, but I have a major complaint about the series. This is going way too slow. Two issues of the Avengers with no Avengers. This issue felt like an issue of Spider-Man. Heck it was an issue of Spider-Man. I think it's starting to show that you guys have rushed into the Avengers. Most of this stuff should have been allowed to happen in the series of the respective heroes to lead up to Avengers in an organic way. Instead, two issues in and we have housekeeping trying to do setup that should have already been done. Or at least done much much faster. I know you're already committed to your path and aren't about to change anything, but it is taking away from my enjoyment. The epic first arc of Avengers is turning out to be solo issues of other series. Well done ones, but not Avengers. Keep em coming. First off, sorry for any grammar or spelling errors in this post. I'm writing it from my phone. I realized that would be an issue going in, particularly with #2. We rushed everything. We are aware of that, but as you said we don't plan on backing down. I have good news for you. Next issue, by the end, the Avengers are assembled. So look forward to that.
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Post by jordan on Jun 30, 2013 11:35:58 GMT -5
Eh. The Spider-Man section was good but the bit with Carol was sappy and drawn out. Everything was well written for the most part, but I have a major complaint about the series. This is going way too slow. Two issues of the Avengers with no Avengers. This issue felt like an issue of Spider-Man. Heck it was an issue of Spider-Man. I think it's starting to show that you guys have rushed into the Avengers. Most of this stuff should have been allowed to happen in the series of the respective heroes to lead up to Avengers in an organic way. Instead, two issues in and we have housekeeping trying to do setup that should have already been done. Or at least done much much faster. I know you're already committed to your path and aren't about to change anything, but it is taking away from my enjoyment. The epic first arc of Avengers is turning out to be solo issues of other series. Well done ones, but not Avengers. Keep em coming. I agree with what Drake has said: We knew we were rushing it, etc. But the way Drake is writing it, the way it playing out, the issues and story are about the Avengers coming together and it has been organic. No, it hasn't been perfect, but I think that the way Drake has been doing it and plans to finish it, it works. It's just like any other team series where they come together in the first arc. I understand your complaints and I truly hope you enjoy the arc more as it comes to a close.
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jul 3, 2013 15:03:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. I feel like the Hulk was kind of just randomly added at the end so it wasn't just a Spider-Man issue.
I can see where Stardrifter is coming from, but I did enjoy how Spider-Man and Ms. Marvel played off of each other.
But why didn't Kraven just kill Spider-Man instead of allowing him to regroup and find someone like Ms. Marvel?
Not as good as the first issue, but still solid. 8/10
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Post by Drake on Jul 3, 2013 16:02:02 GMT -5
Hulk was added because that scene didn't fit into the later chapters. It made them too long.
Kraven isn't smart. And he honestly isn't a terrible guy. He expected Miles to quit being Spider-Man. BUT, he has plans in place he doesn't...and he brings in some other(s) to help him. Wait for next issue for more info!
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jul 3, 2013 16:31:50 GMT -5
I can understand that he isn't a terrible guy. Maybe he should've just phrased it differently? In a way that suggested he was hoping Miles quit instead of having to kill him.
I'm just nitpicking at that a bit. It's not too unbelievable, just think it could've been portrayed a bit better.
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Post by Drake on Jul 3, 2013 20:58:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I understand. I was just trying to explain my reasoning behind it.
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Post by Drake on Jul 13, 2013 15:54:31 GMT -5
Assemble Part 3 is up.
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Post by ReadingTrance on Jul 13, 2013 22:11:22 GMT -5
Another very good issue. I only had one problem that didn't quite make sense to me.
At the end, you have two giant green hulking monsters jumping out of the hole. Now, I understand that Bruce turned into the Hulk because the Hulk is ridiculously strong and overcame the gamma absorber (especially because Bruce got shot in the head...). But how did Blonsky transform?
Otherwise, very, very good. 9/10
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Post by Drake on Jul 13, 2013 22:15:12 GMT -5
That was a part I decided to cut out, simply because the scene worked so much better ending on "You stupid fuckers are about to get smashed."
The way I picture it is this: Bruce transforms, begins smashing. Blonsky freaks and turns off the gamma absorber. Abomination and Hulk go at it, causing them to destroy the ground (or ceiling for them). That's about it. To see who else joins in on the fight and just what happens next, tune in to issue 4, out later this month.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jul 14, 2013 10:51:28 GMT -5
It was okay. I was put off a bit by the dialogue. A lot of it felt forced or expositiony. Much of it felt unnatural. But the story remains good.
I'd also nitpick Peters seeming approval of Miles and his daughter. Arguments on whether he would or not aside, the fact is there was some potential for great drama cast aside. Imagine a man caught between his support of his successor and protege in doing what's right to use his powers to help others and his love for his daughter and wanting to avoid her going through what MJ must have with him. Just feels like wasted potential is all.
Keep em coming.
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Post by Drake on Jul 14, 2013 12:08:42 GMT -5
The way I see it is that Miles might be about to die, so Peter feels a need to give him hope in his last moments. Moreover, Peter actually is reluctant at first, something you discover in "Spider-Man," but ends up becoming neutral in the matter after realizing how hypocritical it would be for him to stop a young man who risks his life every day from being with who he wants to be with. Additionally, Peter believes she is already at risk due to his being Spider-Man in the past. But yes, I can see where you're going. The way I picture Peter in this, however, doesn't align directly with your view of how he should act. He certainly starts out that way, but changes rather quickly.
On your dialogue critique...well, you're right. Honest to God I felt this was my worst issue yet, at least dialogue-wise. If I wasn't on a biweekly schedule then I imagine that I would have had more time to go over the issue and fix a lot of the dialogue problems. But, you know, you get what you get.
EDIT: I hope I don't sound combative or defensive. I'm just trying to explain my reasoning behind Peter's own reasoning.
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Post by Stardrifter on Jul 14, 2013 12:49:30 GMT -5
No it's fine. Like I said, there could be arguments made for either position. And the ones you make make sense. I just felt it was a lost opportunity to have some drama if Peter was conflicted with wanting to be there for Miles but wanting him to stay away from Mayday.
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Post by All Star Silentking on Jul 14, 2013 16:27:08 GMT -5
Another great issue with a couple of hiccups. I am a little iffy about the Hulk and Abomination part that Trance mentioned. On one hand, I think it would have benefited from that scene you took out. On the other hand, the scene was most likely better left where you cut if off at. I don't mind being even longer, so that isn't an issue with this part. I am also not liking how there is an increase in swearing in your issues. A curse word here or there would be great. But so much lessens the impact they normally have. I am also not liking Jan's motiviation in this issue. It is easier to swallow as the issue went on, but if felt cliched in a way. Anyway, one final complaint is a coding error. You left an extra [/color] or something like that near the end. 9.5/10
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Post by Drake on Jul 14, 2013 17:08:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the swearing was something I noticed too. The way I justified it to myself was that this chapter had the villains in it much more. They are, as they should be, a representation of the worse parts of humanity, including the use of inappropriate language. (I am at fault for that one lol.) And, if you noticed, Bruce used very little curse words until he began to transform. The way I see it is that Bruce's and Hulk's minds had begun to switch, so his language became less...respectable. Keep that in mind, however. I write Hulk as Jordan has asked me to: in complete sentences with a certain level of intelligence, but still entirely monstrous. So, in other words, Ultimate Hulk. Which, if you've read Millar's Ultimates, know is less than respectable.
The Jan issue is something I like to play up in my characters. Comic books are usually sci fi soap operas. So, I make sure all the characters are flawed to a slightly enhanced level. My Janet is rather...well, vain and selfish and hopelessly in love. If you've ever read the Teen Titans run where Wonder Girl and Robin briefly hook up after Superboy's death, that's basically what Jan and David's relationship was. You'll see the faults and sins of the characters much more in the next arc, so stay tuned.
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Post by hitmonkey on Jul 15, 2013 9:06:26 GMT -5
I liked the issue, I'm not sure how I feel about David at the moment, will have to see what happens in the rest of the arc, but I liked everything else, especially Cap's entrance which was just a great 'Hell yeah' moment.
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Post by Drake on Jul 15, 2013 11:28:28 GMT -5
That's interesting. I figured David would be one of the most sympathetic characters. Hm...to each their own I suppose.
And yeah, that Cap part is my favorite in the entire issue. It really is a "Hell yeah" moment!
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Post by hitmonkey on Jul 15, 2013 20:15:00 GMT -5
I admit my views on David are already tainted because I don't care aqbout relationship drama 9 times out of 10 so him existing annoys me because that's just an obstacle Hank and Jan are going to have to overcome. Then it was revealed he knows Bruce and so I'm waiting to see if he'll do something outside of get in the way of Hank/Jan.
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Post by Drake on Jul 15, 2013 20:22:25 GMT -5
Oh, he will. If you don't know who David is in 616, well...you'll see. He has a big role to play in both this arc and my planned third Avengers arc (which will come out in a year-ish).
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Post by jordan on Jul 16, 2013 1:09:43 GMT -5
So I like it, I think it is your worst Avengers issue so far, but I still like it. 8.5/10. As for your portrayal of Hulk, a little different than exactly how I will portray him, but it is very, very close. Thank you for having the Hulk be intelligent like I asked.
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Post by Drake on Jul 16, 2013 10:50:44 GMT -5
I feel the same way. The boring set up stuff is not my specialty. We'll be getting to the action/humor driven part next issue, which puts me in my element. And you're welcome!
EDIT: Also, I imagine no one's portrayal of another's character will be spot on. It's kind of one of those "to each their own" things. Everyone portrays the same character slightly differently.
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