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Post by Drake on May 24, 2014 16:46:52 GMT -5
Guess what we get to do now that we're rebooting? Elect a new President!
So, the choices are as follows.
1. Stan Lee with Jack Kirby as VP 2. Jack Kirby with Stan Lee as VP 3. Barack Obama with Joe Biden as VP 4. Your own idea! (Post it here)
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Post by DiscipleofBob on May 24, 2014 16:56:34 GMT -5
Either Obama or an actual Marvel character like Robert Kelly or another politician, depending on who would work best for people's stories.
Stan Lee should only make random, completely separate cameos once per arc as he does each movie.
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Post by Sister Grimm on May 24, 2014 17:05:35 GMT -5
Stan Lee should be the Watcher.
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Post by Stardrifter on May 24, 2014 17:40:41 GMT -5
I agree that Stan and Jack is too silly. Either the actual people irl or someone else.
A good question would be does anyone have any plans that would involve the President at all? If so, perhaps they could weigh in on creating or claiming a character for it. If not, then just make it the irl people.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on May 24, 2014 17:48:41 GMT -5
Or Jack Kirby could be the same divine being that drew the Thing back to life.
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Post by ryn2o01 on May 24, 2014 19:18:30 GMT -5
I always liked the thought of using someone in Marvel. What about Frank Walker(US Agent)?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 20:11:21 GMT -5
If you use Stan and Jack, use their real names not their pen names, so Stanley Leiberman and Jacob Kurtzberg, so it doesn't seem as blatantly silly. If you want to go blatantly silly, go Howard the Duck, he ran for Pres in '76... if you want to make it an homage to Marvel, there is also Martin Goodman (the founder of Timely/Atlas and Marvel, Stan's boss and brother-in-law), Flo Steinberg, the woman who made the Marvel bullpen run (it might be nice to have a female Pres), Irving Forbush (Forbushman-Marvel's official unofficial mascot for many many years). -M
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 4:18:51 GMT -5
I'm 100% down with Howard the Duck.
Honestly though, I think Fictional Characters are best to go with. Inserting real characters into things dates stories unnecessarily.
Plus, if we're doing the President of the United States, we should really do the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom...
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Post by C_Miller on May 25, 2014 9:20:17 GMT -5
I agree with Aman. Fictional characters.
But at the same time, not fictionalized versions of Stan and Jack. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby are clearly pen names and they're so well known that it just rings as trying to be cute. However amalgamations of important names could work. Maybe like Florence Goodman as President. Vice President being Jakob Steinberg or Martin Kurtzburg.
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Post by Drake on May 25, 2014 10:41:12 GMT -5
That's certainly not a bad idea, Miller.
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Post by Sister Grimm on May 25, 2014 10:49:45 GMT -5
I would like to also vote for Howard the Duck.
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Post by ryn2o01 on May 25, 2014 10:53:27 GMT -5
What about and original creation like the son of one of the Howling Commandos?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 16:16:53 GMT -5
What about and original creation like the son of one of the Howling Commandos? How do we know the Howling Commandos were the Howling Commandos and/or active in this universe yet for one of their sons to be President. We haven't seen what DOB is doing with Cap and SHIELD yet-maybe his Cap was never active in WWII and the Commandos are first gen in the present? Whoever is pres shouldn't be based on assumed Marvel Continuity or dictate anything continuity-wise for characters in this Marvel U. It really should be as generic as possible a character that gets shaped as the stories we tell move forward. -M
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Post by ryn2o01 on May 25, 2014 16:35:40 GMT -5
What about and original creation like the son of one of the Howling Commandos? How do we know the Howling Commandos were the Howling Commandos and/or active in this universe yet for one of their sons to be President. We haven't seen what DOB is doing with Cap and SHIELD yet-maybe his Cap was never active in WWII and the Commandos are first gen in the present? Whoever is pres shouldn't be based on assumed Marvel Continuity or dictate anything continuity-wise for characters in this Marvel U. It really should be as generic as possible a character that gets shaped as the stories we tell move forward. -M It was only a suggestion. Why does it have to be an homage to anything? At this rate let's give him some generic name like Mitchell Jamison and call it a day.
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Post by DiscipleofBob on May 25, 2014 16:51:06 GMT -5
How about we leave details like the Presidency open for now. We can always just refer to him as 'the President' for now. Other Marvel and DC titles seem to get by just fine that way.
More importantly I think is figuring out the current political climate.
What is the current public policy and opinion when it comes to dealing with superheroes? Masked vigilantes? Scientists from Richards to AIM? Mutants?
What about nations like Latveria, Wakanda, or Atlantis? Are they well-known by the rest of the world? Are leaders like Dr Doom or Mandarin in power?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 16:54:44 GMT -5
How about we leave details like the Presidency open for now. We can always just refer to him as 'the President' for now. Other Marvel and DC titles seem to get by just fine that way. More importantly I think is figuring out the current political climate. What is the current public policy and opinion when it comes to dealing with superheroes? Masked vigilantes? Scientists from Richards to AIM? Mutants? What about nations like Latveria, Wakanda, or Atlantis? Are they well-known by the rest of the world? Are leaders like Dr Doom or Mandarin in power? Wakanda and Atlantis' relationship with the rest of the world will be an element in my book, that's for certain... -M
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Post by Stardrifter on May 25, 2014 17:21:25 GMT -5
Mandarin is a behind the scenes power right now.
As for hero climate, I personally would prefer it being the dawn of modern heroes, as it were. Besides the WWII heroes and black ops type stuff, that public, private super heroes be a new thing.
That's my vote anyway. But my story doesn't require it or anything.
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Post by ryn2o01 on May 25, 2014 17:32:45 GMT -5
I agree with this kind of being the dawn of the modern heroes.
The Fantastic Four aren't fantastic yet and my plan is for them to be embraced by the media. Doom isn't in power and Latveria is being run by a dictator King Vladimir.
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Post by Sister Grimm on May 25, 2014 18:47:06 GMT -5
I can cut Spider-Man's active time to less than six months. The major point is to avoid an origin story because origin stories are awful.
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Post by Stardrifter on May 25, 2014 21:29:54 GMT -5
I can cut Spider-Man's active time to less than six months. The major point is to avoid an origin story because origin stories are awful. I know mrp hates origins too. So you both might hate my first arc. My take on Iron Man is going to be different enough that I can't ignore his origin.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 22:15:02 GMT -5
I can cut Spider-Man's active time to less than six months. The major point is to avoid an origin story because origin stories are awful. I know mrp hates origins too. So you both might hate my first arc. My take on Iron Man is going to be different enough that I can't ignore his origin. Ironically, I think the origin story for Spidey in Amazing Fantasy #15 is brilliant and one of the best executed origins stories of all time. And it's not that I hate origin stories so much as I find them to be the least interesting story a character has to tell, it's all set up for the stories of their adventures, and I don't want to spend 4-6 issues of that, I'd rather it be over and done with in one or told as a flashback later on down the line. I've told my share of origin stories in fan fic, but again I try for done in one on origins and move on, and a good origin story should tell us more about the character than how they got their powers, which is why Spidey's origin (great power/great responsibility) is so damn good. Doc Strange's (Stephen's choice to help the Ancient One even at cost to himself was more revealing of his character than just how he learned magic and was a tale of redemption as well-maybe it is something about Ditko, as he was the driving force behind both of those) is another such origin story that stands up as a good story in and of itself. The biggest problem is we've seen/read these origins so many times, so we assume too much about them and they become fabric of the character that when they are changed, it just feels wrong, but we don't want to sit through the same story again, so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't on changing up the origins. -M
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Post by Drake on May 25, 2014 22:22:12 GMT -5
We'll wait on electing the President. That's fine.
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Post by Sister Grimm on May 25, 2014 22:38:29 GMT -5
I know mrp hates origins too. So you both might hate my first arc. My take on Iron Man is going to be different enough that I can't ignore his origin. Ironically, I think the origin story for Spidey in Amazing Fantasy #15 is brilliant and one of the best executed origins stories of all time. And it's not that I hate origin stories so much as I find them to be the least interesting story a character has to tell, it's all set up for the stories of their adventures, and I don't want to spend 4-6 issues of that, I'd rather it be over and done with in one or told as a flashback later on down the line. I've told my share of origin stories in fan fic, but again I try for done in one on origins and move on, and a good origin story should tell us more about the character than how they got their powers, which is why Spidey's origin (great power/great responsibility) is so damn good. Doc Strange's (Stephen's choice to help the Ancient One even at cost to himself was more revealing of his character than just how he learned magic and was a tale of redemption as well-maybe it is something about Ditko, as he was the driving force behind both of those) is another such origin story that stands up as a good story in and of itself. The biggest problem is we've seen/read these origins so many times, so we assume too much about them and they become fabric of the character that when they are changed, it just feels wrong, but we don't want to sit through the same story again, so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't on changing up the origins. -M While I don't disagree in principle, I'd argue that, yes, while origin stories should show something about the character other than the source of their abilities, all stories should do that. Strange helping the Ancient One (or, like, anyone) at cost to himself should be a recurring trait anyway, so why waste it on an origin story? But that's me. It's rare that I read an origin story that I actually care about.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 22:53:12 GMT -5
Good stories reveal character, whether they are origin stories or not. However I find it rare that origin stories are good stories because most of the time they focus on the widgets and putting those widgets into place and do not on the characters themselves and revealing them. I like good stories, so if an origin story is a good story, I am ok with it, and I don't think the revealing of character is wasted because its an origin story, but all too often origin "stories" are nothing more than extended vignettes or montages of events.
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