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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 10:24:42 GMT -5
I hope with how popular they are that will grow.
And hey, DC has a big fat zero. The one they've tried they turned into a druggie. Two may be sad, but it's still a win.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 10:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by thetrueelec on May 5, 2015 10:38:25 GMT -5
Well DC has had 1 movie, Marvel have had 11. As for the link it looks like it's the Ceo of the company behind it, and CEO's aren't always the smartest or most forward thinking people.
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Post by Drake on May 5, 2015 16:41:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell Joss Whedon is behind misogyny. Look at his track record. That's part of the reason I'm so pissed off about the self-proclaimed "feminists" (actually just entitled, angry bitches and arguably misandrists) who are threatening Joss on Twitter over his portrayal of Black Widow in AoU. Scar Jo was pregnant! They had to rewrite her scenes. Even then, she wasn't badly represented. Ugh! That's my rant for the day.
As for Disney, I'd also say it's unlikely. Perlmutter, Marvel's--not Disney's--CEO is sexist. Those are his emails. As for the comics side, Axel Alonso isn't. Look at what he's doing with the comics. I'd argue Feige likely isn't either. While there will only be 1 female superhero movie in the future (which is nowhere NEAR ideal), he's improving the system and has included a variety of incredibly strong women in the movies.
EDIT: To summarize, I think Hollywood is sexist and corrupt, and certain people are too, but we shouldn't put everyone into the same category because they work for a company.
EDIT 2: Just to make it clear, my quotes around 'feminists' are there because I don't think they're actual feminists.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 17:01:31 GMT -5
I'm a feminist. They are not. They're just...need help. I thought she was amazing, Wanda to. Both were amazing.
When talking about stuff like this it's more talking about culture. DC is sexist, not all people who work there are. But, hey, look at what they put out. I'm sure there are people in the company who hate it.
Marvel are taking time, but they seem to be getting the message if only for getting more money. But they are a business, that's how it's going to be. To get anything to change we need to make it clear there is money to be made for the effort. That effort is being made.
But even among feminists (and remember Whedon is one as well) some people are just special. In the bad way.
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Post by Drake on May 5, 2015 17:34:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I'm a feminist too. My quotations were there to show that I thought the crazies weren't actual feminists.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 17:41:11 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. I guess I'm just really used to explaining stuff like that elsewhere.
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Post by Drake on May 5, 2015 18:04:12 GMT -5
I hear ya. I have a couple guy friends who have been so put off by the crazies that they believe feminism doesn't exist on a large scale. They think feminism is corrupt. It's sad that such an outspoken minority has had such a powerful impact on society. In the same way it's awful to think about how far we have to go in terms of equality.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:12:56 GMT -5
The films he mentioned in the email flopped because they were simply bad superhero movies, not because of their leads. So, does this mean Marvel and DC are gonna scrap their plans for Cap. Marvel and Wonder Woman? I really hope not. There have been plenty of movie flops with male heroes.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 18:27:10 GMT -5
It makes it hard to know what is worth fighting for.
Some issues are real, and they are going to upset people. For example when we got married I chose to keep my name. If we end up having kids I might revisit that but it felt wrong - plus it was my call to make. To listen to people who heard about it I was slaughtering cats and dogs wholesale while trying to bring back the SS. It's just a name, seriously. I also get slack for not liking pink or not wanting kids last week. At my bridal shower there were women who were honestly confused that I was still planning on getting more degrees or working on a career. Didn't we want a family?
And some issues are like that. People just don't want to take the three seconds to ask for the name of the husband and the wife. To ask if the woman even wants the pink sweatshirt. And it's not just women. Men are shoved into social roles just as much, and it's just as harmful. DOB is far more of a homebody then I'll ever be. Ideally he'd stay with the kids anyway. This, to some people, is also a crime. By biological law that just has to be me to them.
Some issues, well, are silly. I just hope we can do the real work, we are not there yet.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 18:29:49 GMT -5
The films he mentioned in the email flopped because they were simply bad superhero movies, not because of their leads. So, does this mean Marvel and DC are gonna scrap their plans for Cap. Marvel and Wonder Woman? I really hope not. There have been plenty of movie flops with male heroes. You're using logical. Hasn't anyone told you about doing that? It does mean they may be in danger. But there are also a number of successful female leads now as well. We'll see.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:32:32 GMT -5
That's odd. Usually I'm totally illogical.
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Post by Drake on May 5, 2015 18:50:14 GMT -5
Nah, they're good. Those emails are from before the movies were announced.
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Post by Stardrifter on May 5, 2015 19:07:08 GMT -5
All I'm gonna say is, Marvel Studios actually thinks Ant-Man is gonna sell. If they can believe that, a Black Widow of Captain Marvel movie is a no brainer. BW is even simpler since she helmed Lucy to a huge financial success.
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Post by adrini on May 5, 2015 19:10:57 GMT -5
I think that is about 90% correct. This being said I am also cautious, things have been pulled at the last minute before.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 3, 2015 23:31:36 GMT -5
So how awesome was Mad Max? The best action film of the year easily, and one of the best new action heroes in Furiosa, if somehow you haven't seen it despite everyone already saying it's awesome I suggest you find a way to.
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Post by Drake on Jun 14, 2015 20:57:35 GMT -5
I had a fascinating weekend as far as movies go. I saw two movies, both of which surprised me, but in completely different ways.
For starters, I saw Jurassic World yesterday and I was...well, I'll be honest. I was blown away....by how disappointing it was. I went in with high expectations and left with the feeling that I'd watched an entertaining, yet sexist, heartless, and generic action/thriller. Now, I'll be honest. The original Jurassic Park is one of my favorite films, and while I didn't go in expecting JW to be as good, I hoped it would at least show a similar tact for heart and humor. I got half of that. The movie was honestly quite funny at times, and watching dinosaurs fight dinosaurs was awesome! Hell, I'm a sucker for all types of mindless, stupid action, which is why it's really sad I left the theatre so disappointed.
Back to the heart. While it tried really, REALLY hard to include characters that you could get attached to, I found JW was completely devoid of anyone resembling a compelling character. Despite my love for Chris Pratt, my favorite character was the tech geek with glasses, who, in my opinion, was the only character that was remotely unique. Continuing on to the lead, I was extraordinarily put off by how they wrote Bryce Dallas Howard's character. She began as a stereotypical workaholic and continued to develop into a stupid, incompetent, terrified, hide-behind-the-man, cry baby 'hero.' She cared for her nephews and did a couple cool things by the end of the film, but her sexist portrayal throughout the first 2/3 of the film hampered my enthusiasm for her 'wow' moments (even the bad ass T-Rex one). It's not that there isn't room for characters like (Claire?) her in Hollywood; it's just that there are so many of them, so I was hoping that a big time movie like JW would divorce itself from Hollywood stereotypes. It's even worse after having seen Mad Max, which was both successful and chock full of strong female characters, bad ass or not.
As for the rest of the lack of heart, I found the little brother annoying (and I usually love kids!). The teen was a stereotype through to the end. Chris Pratt was generic action hero #1000000001, even if the actor brought a lot to the role. There was exactly one plot twist that I found interesting (the 'secret recipe' for the Indomitus Rex). In general, I just thought Jurassic World was disappointing. That's why it drove me up the wall when I discovered it was on track to have the biggest opening weekend of all time. It's not that it's not entertaining. It is. It just presents a number of problems I'd hope the general audience would be discouraged by, just like me. But I digress. Enough with the mediocre. Time for the incredible.
My local film festival took place this past weekend. I volunteered, and in the process earned myself an 'all access' pass to the movies. Due to my sheer exhaustion because of a crap sleep schedule and long work days, I only ended up seeing one film: Uncle John. From the cinematography to the acting to the story, the film was incredible. The juxtaposition of life and death, of failure and success, etc. was beautifully handled. I don't know if any of you will ever see it, but if you have the opportunity, do. It's incredible.
I'll probably go into more detail, including a synopsis, later, but for now I'm worn out from critiquing Jurassic World. I hope I'll be back tomorrow with more.
Till then, thoughts? I'm assuming I'm alone in the 'Jurassic World was very meh' camp, if only because of ticket sales alone.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 14, 2015 23:35:42 GMT -5
I don't think opening ticket sales have much to do with people liking the movie, most people who see it opening weekend were never going to be stopped from seeing it opening weekend even if everyone said it was terrible.
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Post by thejellyfish on Jun 14, 2015 23:43:03 GMT -5
It's got dinosaurs and Chris Pratt. You couldn't stop people from seeing it if you tried.
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Post by adrini on Jun 16, 2015 21:01:13 GMT -5
I'll look out for Uncle John. Like you I suspect I am also tired of the more brainless movies and such.
DOB likes opening weekend, I prefer to see what reviews say, I don't trust them all but there are a few I found found to be helpful.
Any in any case I seriously hate crowds. So there's that.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jun 22, 2015 8:38:03 GMT -5
Saw Inside Out on the weekend, this is a great movie. The voice cast is perfect, the ideas for how stuff works in the head is imaginitive, the moral of the story is a great one for both kids and adults. Basically Pixar is back. Oh and when you see it, because you definitely should see it, bring tissues because it is often incredibly sad.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 16, 2015 20:50:04 GMT -5
We've got our first look at Ivan Ooze, I mean Apocalypse, and Psylocke in her purple bathing suit costume. Psylocke looks pretty good and Apocalypse looks as ridiculous as Apocalypse usually looks.
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Post by adrini on Jul 16, 2015 21:50:03 GMT -5
It's comics. Goofy is part of the equation.
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Post by thejellyfish on Jul 16, 2015 21:58:18 GMT -5
I'm excited! If I had to rate my excitement for next year's films, it would be: Gambit (I have to be excited, it is impossible for me to not be excited), Captain America: Civil War (more Paul Rudd as Ant-Man and Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch, yes please!), X-Men: Apocalypse (for some reason I keep thinking of "Let's Go to the Mall" from HIMYM, but with superheroes), Deadpool (the trailer used "X Gon Give it to Ya" and that song just pumps me up), Suicide Squad (Viola Davis is perfect for The Wall), BvS: DoJ (live action Wonder Woman and Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne), and Dr. Strange (I think by the time Gambit is out everyone will be burnt out on superhero movies in 2016 and I will be one of those people).
Also, I had a realization today. Kevin Feige responded to criticisms over females in the MCU and the lack of a Black Widow movie. The lack of any female-led superhero films, actually (at least until Captain Marvel comes out in three years). So, then I started thinking, what female superheroes that are owned by Marvel Studios would I want to see get their own solo film? And, which ones would actually make a good movie?
My mind immediately went to Kamala Khan, but she would work best in a TV series on Netflix or ABC. Jessica Jones is getting her own series, that counts her out for a movie. And then, my brain starting hurting.
The next thing I thought (head still hurting) was, "Man, Fox doesn't have this fucking problem!"
And that's when it hit me. 20th Century Fox has got a buttload of female characters. I would argue that they have binders full of them. Sure, they don't have any female-led superhero films in their slate, but Fox mostly does team films, the only solo films they've done have been the Wolverine ones. Deadpool and Gambit are basically tests to see if people want to see other mutants (and based on how much the fans wanted those movies before they were even technically announced, I'd say they want them pretty damn bad).
But, look at some of the characters 20th Century Fox has: Rogue, Storm, Psylocke, Jean Grey, Kitty Pryde, etc. Sure, some of these work better in a team format (Jean), but Rogue, Storm, Pyslocke, and Kitty can carry a solo film. They've carried solo titles in the comics, I don't see why they can't do the same in film.
An added bonus is that these are movies I would totally see. I'd like it if they recast everyone (they recast Colossus, Psylocke, and Gambit; I have a feeling they'll recast others), but if they don't I wouldn't not enjoy them.
I think people are quick to look at Marvel Studios like they're some kind of paragon for superhero movies and equality within those movies when that kinda isn't the case (if you go by everything above). Say what you will of DC/Warner Bros., but at least they had they sense to get Wonder Woman out there. They know people want her. Wonder Woman is getting a solo movie before the Captain Marvel film. Wonder Woman has been cast and a director has been found, neither of which has happened for Captain Marvel.
20th Century Fox has fucked up in the past, but they're on the uptick and they have the added benefit of being able to learn from Disney's mistakes when it comes to the Marvel characters. I look forward to seeing what Fox has to offer and whether or not they make a female-led superhero film. But, I just know that whatever they do, they've got my money.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 16, 2015 22:52:00 GMT -5
It's comics. Goofy is part of the equation. Absoulety, In no way am I saying his look is a bad thing.
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Post by Drake on Jul 17, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
It's comics. Goofy is part of the equation. Absoulety, In no way am I saying his look is a bad thing. Yeah, that's what I don't get about all the comic fans crapping on his look. I'll agree it's not as good as it could be, but it's pretty damn comic accurate. Saw Ant-Man. Loved it! Marvel Studios continues to make less popular characters cooler than most of Fox's A-listers or Warner Bros' icons. That's just my opinion though. EDIT: Just feel like I should clarify. I've really enjoyed every Fox movie since First Class, and I love the Nolan trilogy. However, I also think it shows just how much more Marvel knows what they're doing than Fox or Warner Bros. when they can make ANT-MAN and the GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (who, don't get me wrong, has been my favorite superhero team for a while) into hits and fascinating characters for general audiences, and Fox can't portray their A-listers like Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Rogue, Colossus, and more as the incredible, compelling characters that they are. Warner Bros....well, they screwed up GL, their one attempt at a non-Batman or Superman to this day, so.... *shrugs* Obviously, I'm very aware of the coming Warner and Fox movies, but they haven't been released yet so I can't discuss or judge them.
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Post by adrini on Jul 18, 2015 23:03:21 GMT -5
Okay. So we *tried* to see antman.
We really tried.
There was a double feature at the local drive-in. I had never been to a drive in and DOB and my parents swore by them. Plus it's a double feature - that's awesome! There was only a 20% chance of rain. That's a break. It's been 60% for the last month.
About 1/2 way through the film we give up. The radio is working fine (sound) but the rain is obscuring the screen, the lightening isn't helping, and we're only catching some of the action on the screen.
So we've gone home. We'll try again tomorrow. But we also have ice cream. And Ice Cream makes everything a little better.
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Post by thetrueelec on Jul 21, 2015 8:43:39 GMT -5
Ant-Man was really good, even if the second was a lot of the same stuff we've seen before and just kept drawing attention to the fact it should have starred Hope. Luckily the climax more than made up for it. I do have a couple of problems, the villain is so over the top it's laughable, Hope should have been the main character, the second act being so by the book, but the good, Scott and Hank's characters, the humour, the climax, outweighs it.
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Post by thejellyfish on Aug 6, 2015 21:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by adrini on Aug 6, 2015 21:25:46 GMT -5
Doesn't she come later? I Gambit was never my number 1 in x-men (three guesses)but I always understood that he was with Belladonna till that went south and then he met Rogue. People have more then one relationship over time.
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